Wednesday, November 2, 2011

More Right Wing Anti-Government Gun Nuts, Trying for a Mass Killing...

Remember what I just wrote about right wing authoritarian movements and their politics? Want to bet these old farts are white, badly educated (the ungrammatical use of language suggests that), and big on the issues of the conservative culture wars?   Anti-gays, anti-abortion, anti-Muslim, anti-feminist, etc.? Maybe anti-Mormon.  I'm sure THEY believe they are patriots, not jackass domestic terrorists. 

FBI: Four militia members plotted to attack buildings, release poison

'I'd say the first ones that need to die is the ones in the government buildings'

By Pete Williams Justice correspondent
NBC News
updated 11/1/2011 8:17:29 PM ET
Four Georgia men in their 60s and 70s were arrested Tuesday, accused of being members of a right-wing militia group that plotted to attack federal office buildings and to disperse a deadly biological poison in Atlanta.
Their alleged plot was revealed to the FBI by a confidential informant last spring, and members of the group have been meeting since May with someone they thought was a black-market weapons dealer but who turned out to be an undercover federal agent, according to court documents.
No attacks were ever attempted. Federal officials say the men were disrupted before they could act on the plot.
The documents say the men, Frederick Thomas, 73, of Cleveland, Ga.; Dan Roberts, 67, Ray Adams, 65, and Samuel Crump, 68, all of Toccoa, called themselves "the covert group" and began in March to talk about staging attacks against federal targets including the IRS.
A confidential informant secretly recorded some of the meetings for the FBI.
"I'd say the first ones that need to die is the ones in the government buildings," Adams was overheard saying in an April 16 meeting, according to the FBI.
"When it comes down to it, I can kill somebody," he allegedly said.
Read court documents on ricin allegations (.PDF)
They allegedly obtained a silencer from the undercover agent and plotted to buy explosives. Crump claimed he could produce ricin, a deadly biological agent, and talked about dispersing it from a car driving on an interstate highway, according to court documents.
"Ya get on the trunk of Atlanta, you get up on the north side, ya get on 41, ya throw it out there right on 285, ya go up 41 or 75, go up 75 to get away from it. Keep the heater on, that way keeps the pressure out. Don't roll your window down," he told the informant, according to court documents.
According to federal investigators, Crump had worked for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta in the past doing "maintenance-type services" for a contractor, and Adams used to work for a U.S. Department of Agriculture agency called the Agricultural Research Service as a lab technician.
"While many are focused on the threat posed by international violent extremists, this case demonstrates that we must also remain vigilant in protecting our country from citizens without our own borders who threaten our safety and security," said the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, Sally Quillian Yates, in a written statement.
Right wing extremists.

Want to bet they are also Right wing authoritarian gun lunatics and that every one of them owns one or more firearms?Iwonder howmany of these guys belong or have belonged inthe past to the NRA.

Want to bet they think they understand and support the Constitution, that they know the thoughts of the Founding Fathers?  And a good chance THEY think they are good god-fearing followers of some conservative religion?

Georgia, one of the original 13 colonies; what a shame they don't know better.


  1. This goes to show that the NRA is a terrorist organization. I'm pretty amused when a bunch of senior citizens try to take over the US Government in time to make the Early Bird specials at Denny's.

  2. Pffffffffffft! Good one Jade!

    Almost had my coffee take a detour out of my nose, laughing.

    It was the WAFFLE house, not Denny's, where they were meeting. Somehow that doesn't sound like an upgrade.

    I was struck by the fact that they didn't call themselves a militia, but wonder if rather they might be a subset of a larger group that does. I read through the search warrant affidavit in the link. This wouldn't have been caught if there hadn't been an informant.

    I wouldn't have given these guys much chance to do this without killing themselves and a lot of other people before they ever made it to the distribution they intended.

    Did these guys NOT have family and friends that they were worried about being killed? The idea that turning on their car heaters would keep them safe while doing this was just one of the many ways they were an inept bunch.

    They'd have been the Under the Hill Gang pretty quickly, not the Over the Hill Gang.

    Bunch of jerks.

    Remember when the Obama Administration took heat for asserting that there were right wing domestic terrorists to be concerned about,not just foreign Islamic extremists?

    Proof positive right here.

  3. BTW, they modeled their plan after a novel written by gunloon Mike Vandebroegh.

  4. These people haven't figured out the difference between fiction and reality.

    Part of the right’s dislike of the Elite (wow,if that isn’t a contradiction!) is their distrust of “experts”. Those people who know all that stuff, they must be wrong!

    These people have missed the memo on the rest of reality. They're off in their bizarre parallel universe which somehow intersects ours via the internet.

    It makes my brain hurt to think that these people are out there.

    Even worse that they manage to influence our universe from theirs.

    There must be some bizarre explanation which could be provided if we had a better understanding of quantum physics as to how this influencing of our world from a bizarre parallel universe works. I hope that someone will soon claim a Nobel Prize for working out how to block the right wing parallel universe from interfering with reality.